What's Reasonable and Customary? Waiting for Payment

Hi Everyone!

I own a royalty interest in Montague County, Texas, that went into production in October 2011 with two wells and then they drilled two more. I believe all 4 are in production now with plans for more drilling. The company is EOG and I believe they are reputable.

Here's my question. How long should it take to get DO's and subsequently, paid? What's reasonable? Does there come a time when they have a penalty to pay, like interest on my money they are holding? How long should someone just be patient and when is it time to take some kind of action? And what's the right kind of action to take?

I'm new and lacking in experience so I'm hoping for some good advice. I don't want to be a pain or a doormat. I want to be reasonable! Thanks!

Patty

Patty, "customary" can vary greatly depending upon circumstances. Typically I'd expect to receive payments from around 3 to 6 months after production begins. However, I'm currently also awaiting division orders from EOG on a North Dakota well which was spud last November and then first sold oil in February.

Most states require royalty payment with 'x' months (may vary by state) of oil sales or an interest penalty (amount also varies) is due you on unpaid royalties. In my case, EOG is aware they began owing me 18% interest once six months passed. They say they're just that back logged getting title opinions in ND and expect it will be Feb/March before they get D.O.'s to me. This is far from "customary", but their 18% interest will take the sting out of waiting so long. I can't cite Texas law on this but suspect it will be somewhat similar.

Find out what penalty/interest is provided for in TX law. Then call to remind them of the penalty/interest due. Then call again once a month until it gets resolved. No, you don't want to be a pain, yet the squeeky wheel really does get the grease. It may not change anything but when they get to your property they will pay you first. Good Luck.

Wow! I will be looking this up! Thanks!

You are right! 18% interest does make it easier to wait. Also makes it in the oil companies best 'interest' to take care of whatever is holding things up and start paying out.

Texas has a law that says first payment by the end of the month 120 days after first sales, although some leases shorten this period. They also have to pay interest on late payments. Get an attorney to send a letter to get their attention.

That's great news! Any idea what the percentage is? Thanks!

Wade Caldwell said:

Texas has a law that says first payment by the end of the month 120 days after first sales, although some leases shorten this period. They also have to pay interest on late payments. Get an attorney to send a letter to get their attention.

I believe the rate in Texas is 2% plus NYFed rate. Which equates to 2.notverymuch%

I have 3 wells in Montague county that went into production Oct 2011 also. No Division Orders or payments as yet. I've been told by EOG that Title Opinions are still being worked. Regardless of what the law says still no royalty payments. I'm of the opinion that when it happens it happens - nothing I can do. Getting an attorney will only cost me money I don't have. I know EOG will pay. The longer we wait the bigger the first check.

That sort of figures it would be skewed in the favor of big business, but that's OK. Better than nothing but not nearly as good as 18%!!!! I guess they will do all the work in the 18% places faster.

SW Mays said:

I believe the rate in Texas is 2% plus NYFed rate. Which equates to 2.notverymuch%

Richard,

A year is more than enough time to get title figured out, unless there is some pending proceeding that would affect title.

Mr Caldwell, I totally agree with you that a year is more then enough time, but what do I do? Ellen Klimenko with EOG told me just about 4 days ago that they were bringing in more people to help with the title opinions. She didn't go into detail about the problems they were having. She told me she was calling all the royalty owners to let them know since we all got tax appraisals from Montague County. I expect I will be paying taxes before I get a Division Order or any royalty payment. The wells in question just for the sake of discussion are Welsh Unit 1H, Wales Unit 1H and Wales Unit 2H. Thanks for the interest.

Get an attorney to send a demand letter for a division order and first check. If you know your percentage of royalty interest and have a legal description of the lease, you can even tender a signed division order, that EOG is required to accept under state law. Do they give a reason why it is taking them so long to get the title issue cleared?

Here's another interesting side of this. How can it be that Montague County knows your tax liability and yet you have received no money? I think I would have to call them and ask.

Richard Downs Byrd said:

Mr Caldwell, I totally agree with you that a year is more then enough time, but what do I do? Ellen Klimenko with EOG told me just about 4 days ago that they were bringing in more people to help with the title opinions. She didn't go into detail about the problems they were having. She told me she was calling all the royalty owners to let them know since we all got tax appraisals from Montague County. I expect I will be paying taxes before I get a Division Order or any royalty payment. The wells in question just for the sake of discussion are Welsh Unit 1H, Wales Unit 1H and Wales Unit 2H. Thanks for the interest.

Here's the Texas law. And it looks to me like they can delay payment almost forever with no consequences to them if they claim ownership type issues.

The requirements covered in this brochure are outlined in the Texas Natural Resources Code Section 91 Subchapters J and L.

These requirements include:

  • When to pay royalties, when royalties can be suspended, and what interest rate to pay when interest is due
  • What should be reported with a payment
  • The statutory components of a division order
  • What kind of notice to provide royalty owners when you buy a working interest or when the payor changes
  • What information a royalty interest owner can request

WHEN TO PAY
Section 91.402(a) and (f)

Initial payment

  • 120 Days after end of month of first sale

Ongoing payments

  • 60 days after end of calendar month in which oil production sold
  • 90 days after end of calendar month in which gas production sold

Payments must be paid when the payment reaches $100, or

  • If payments do not reach $100 within 12 months and are greater than $10, the aggregated amount must be paid
  • Amounts that do not aggregate to $10 must be paid upon the sale or plugging of the property or at the owner's request
  • If an owner requests payment more frequently, only aggregate to $25

WHAT YOU HAVE TO REPORT WITH A PAYMENT (amended effective 9/1/2002)
Section 91.502

  1. Property Identification (Name, Number, or both; and County and State)
  2. Sales month and year
  3. Volume sold
  4. Price per barrel or Mcf
  5. Severance or other taxes deducted
  6. Windfall profit taxes (repealed 1989)
  7. Other deductions or adjustments
  8. Net value
  9. Owner decimal interest
  10. Owner gross value
  11. Owner net value
  12. Address and phone number where additional information can be obtained

ROYALTY OWNER REQUESTS
Section 91.404(b)

If a royalty owner notifies you in writing of failure to make timely payment, you must either make payment or respond in writing within 30 days of receipt of the notice.

Section 91.504 (amended effective 9/1/2002)

Requests sent by certified mail for information regarding itemized deductions, adjustments, the heating value of gas, or the Railroad Commission of Texas identification number for the lease, property, or well must be responded to within 60 days of receipt of the request.

Section 91.505 (amended effective 9/1/2002)

Additional requests sent by certified mail for information not covered by Section 91.504 must be responded to within 30 days of receipt of request.

CHANGE OF PAYOR
Section 91.407 (a), (b), and (c)

If there is a change of payor, the new payor must notify the payee in writing of the change at the payee's most recent known address. The notice must include property name and number, effective date (month and year), and payor's address and phone number.

A division order, check detail, or other written communication that includes all of the above information will satisfy this requirement.

BUYING A WORKING INTEREST

See "Change of Payor." When buying a working interest, you should determine who will pay the royalties due and ensure that the notice of the change of payor will be provided as required.

SUSPENDING PAYMENTS
Section 91.402(b) and (f)

Payments can be suspended without interest (provided the lease does not provide otherwise) if:

  • A dispute concerning title exists that would affect distribution of payments
  • A reasonable doubt exists that the payee has sold or authorized the sale of its share of the oil or gas to the purchaser
  • A reasonable doubt exists that the payee has clear title to the interest in the proceeds of production
  • A title opinion requirement placing the title, identity, or whereabouts of the payee at issue remains unsatisfied after a reasonable request for curative has been made.
  • Payments are aggregated as provided by statute

WHEN INTEREST IS DUE
Section 91.403 and 91.407(d)

Late payment interest is due at a rate of 2 percentage points above rate charged on loans to depository institutions by New York Federal Reserve Bank when:

  • Payment is late and the title is clear
  • Payment is late, a division order is offered that does not comply with statutes, and the division order is not signed

Late payment Interest is due at a rate of 4 percentage points above the rate charged on loans to depository institutions by the New York Federal Reserve Bank when:

  • Payment is late and notice that you are the new payor has not been provided

Title opinions are done before a well is ever drilled, and then they get a Divison Order title opinion done. It should not take over a year! I advise getting an attorney to write the company a demand letter. If you have an interest in three wells, it should be a considerable amount you are due.

Richard Downs Byrd said:

I have 3 wells in Montague county that went into production Oct 2011 also. No Division Orders or payments as yet. I've been told by EOG that Title Opinions are still being worked. Regardless of what the law says still no royalty payments. I'm of the opinion that when it happens it happens - nothing I can do. Getting an attorney will only cost me money I don't have. I know EOG will pay. The longer we wait the bigger the first check.