Getting title to my inherited mineral rights put in my name

Ownership and Title
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I inherited several hundred acres of mineral rights in Colorado from my dad, who inherited them from his aunt. Most of the acreage is in my dad's name at the assessor's office, but a small portion is in his aunt's and his uncle's names. My dad inherited the mineral rights from his aunt, who inherited them from her husband (the uncle). Our family has paid the taxes on these mineral rights for over 60 years. Is there some sort of a form I can fill out to get them converted to my name? No one is contesting ownership. I have paid the taxes for the last 5 years, but the tax bills are still in my dad's and his aunt's and uncle's names.

Thanks in advance for your insight.

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I think you should probate the estates and get everything in your name. Shouldn’t cost much if you have a good chain of title, wills or can show your heirship by law.

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Brooksye S. Gertsch said:

Thank you for your response. It is very helpful. Could you recommend a good attorney in Colorado who specializes in that type of work? The land is located in Cheyenne, Kiowa, and Lincoln Counties.

r w kennedy said:
I think you should probate the estates and get everything in your name. Shouldn't cost much if you have a good chain of title, wills or can show your heirship by law.
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After realizing that probating my Father's Will was going to be a long, expensive, drawn out process, an attorney friend suggested that I probate through a Muniment of Title. Even though the estate had more than real estate, it still was simple to probate. I live in Texas. Good luck !!! I have copied and pasted an explanation ...

Muniment of Title

Historical Texas law created a unique concept known as the probate of a Will as a muniment of title. This concept is very unique to Texas, and it is generally not understood by attorneys in other states. This mechanism provides for a streamlined probate process, does not require the appointment of an administrator or executor, and it is the only mechanism by which you can probate a Will in more than 4 years. However, because this method is so unique to Texas, it can be difficult to use when having to deal with attorneys in other states, especially those that represent banks and other financial institutions.

The probate of a Will as a muniment of title is a mechanism where a Decedent’s Will is filed for probate, the Court recognizes the Will, but does not appoint an executor or administrator to administer the Estate. Rather, once the Court signs its Order establishing the Will as the Decedent’s true last Will, a certified copy of the Will and the Court’s Order can be used to transfer title in any property owned by the Decedent to those people listed in his Will. In essence, the Will and the Order serve as an equivalent to a new deed to any real estate.

The muniment of title method is most effectively used when the estate consists solely of real estate. If, however, the estate includes bank accounts or brokerage accounts, experience tells us that the attorneys representing those banks and financial institutions (who usually office in New York) do not understand this Texas concept. They will, many times, requires us to convert the administration to either a dependent or an independent administration. While the muniment of title can be less costly than the traditional methods of probate, it becomes much more costly if you are required to convert it because of issues with a bank or financial institution.

As noted elsewhere in this website, a Will must be filed for probate within 4 years of the Decedent’s date of death. However, the Probate Code creates a small exception for Wills filed as a muniment of title. If the person filing the Will is determined to have not been at fault in not bringing the Will for probate within the 4 years, then the Court can recognize the Will through a muniment of title only.

One final note about the muniment of title. Although it may seem somewhat elementary, the muniment of title only applies when you are filing a Will for probate. It has no application if the Decedent died without leaving a valid Will. Likewise, the muniment of title is not available if there are debts outstanding that are owed by the Decedent, unless those debts are secured by real property. In the case where someone died without a Will and you would prefer to avoid the formal probate of the estate, see the Alternatives to Probate detailed elsewhere in this site.

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I am sorry that I can’t recommend a lawyer in Colorado. I live in Tx and have knowlege of only a few in ND. Tx can be a bear when it comes to probate, costly and taking years. I am advised that Colorado, while not doing anything improper, is more understanding and lenient. I think any competent lawyer should be able to help you with this matter, some will charge a little more and some a little less. Best wishes; RWK

Brooksye S. Gertsch said:



Brooksye S. Gertsch said:
Thank you for your response. It is very helpful. Could you recommend a good attorney in Colorado who specializes in that type of work? The land is located in Cheyenne, Kiowa, and Lincoln Counties.

r w kennedy said:
I think you should probate the estates and get everything in your name. Shouldn't cost much if you have a good chain of title, wills or can show your heirship by law.
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Wow! That is very useful information. I have worked in law offices as a legal assistant for several years and have never heard of that procedure. I certainly hope it is available in Colorado. I can’t tell you enough how much I appreciate your taking the time and effort to detail it. It sounds quite complicated but also like quite an efficient method of clearing things up. I know this will need to be done in order for me to lease or sell the mineral interest. Really, really appreciate your sharing the info.

Ms. Pat Malone said:

After realizing that probating my Father's Will was going to be a long, expensive, drawn out process, an attorney friend suggested that I probate through a Muniment of Title. Even though the estate had more than real estate, it still was simple to probate. I live in Texas. Good luck !!! I have copied and pasted an explanation ...

Muniment of Title

Historical Texas law created a unique concept known as the probate of a Will as a muniment of title. This concept is very unique to Texas, and it is generally not understood by attorneys in other states. This mechanism provides for a streamlined probate process, does not require the appointment of an administrator or executor, and it is the only mechanism by which you can probate a Will in more than 4 years. However, because this method is so unique to Texas, it can be difficult to use when having to deal with attorneys in other states, especially those that represent banks and other financial institutions.

The probate of a Will as a muniment of title is a mechanism where a Decedent’s Will is filed for probate, the Court recognizes the Will, but does not appoint an executor or administrator to administer the Estate. Rather, once the Court signs its Order establishing the Will as the Decedent’s true last Will, a certified copy of the Will and the Court’s Order can be used to transfer title in any property owned by the Decedent to those people listed in his Will. In essence, the Will and the Order serve as an equivalent to a new deed to any real estate.

The muniment of title method is most effectively used when the estate consists solely of real estate. If, however, the estate includes bank accounts or brokerage accounts, experience tells us that the attorneys representing those banks and financial institutions (who usually office in New York) do not understand this Texas concept. They will, many times, requires us to convert the administration to either a dependent or an independent administration. While the muniment of title can be less costly than the traditional methods of probate, it becomes much more costly if you are required to convert it because of issues with a bank or financial institution.

As noted elsewhere in this website, a Will must be filed for probate within 4 years of the Decedent’s date of death. However, the Probate Code creates a small exception for Wills filed as a muniment of title. If the person filing the Will is determined to have not been at fault in not bringing the Will for probate within the 4 years, then the Court can recognize the Will through a muniment of title only.

One final note about the muniment of title. Although it may seem somewhat elementary, the muniment of title only applies when you are filing a Will for probate. It has no application if the Decedent died without leaving a valid Will. Likewise, the muniment of title is not available if there are debts outstanding that are owed by the Decedent, unless those debts are secured by real property. In the case where someone died without a Will and you would prefer to avoid the formal probate of the estate, see the Alternatives to Probate detailed elsewhere in this site.

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Years! Yipes! Probate procedures have a deservedly bad reputation, I guess. Makes me think of the Charles Dickens book “Bleak House.” Thank you for sharing your insights.

r w kennedy said:

I am sorry that I can't recommend a lawyer in Colorado. I live in Tx and have knowlege of only a few in ND. Tx can be a bear when it comes to probate, costly and taking years. I am advised that Colorado, while not doing anything improper, is more understanding and lenient. I think any competent lawyer should be able to help you with this matter, some will charge a little more and some a little less. Best wishes; RWK

Brooksye S. Gertsch said:


Brooksye S. Gertsch said:
Thank you for your response. It is very helpful. Could you recommend a good attorney in Colorado who specializes in that type of work? The land is located in Cheyenne, Kiowa, and Lincoln Counties.

r w kennedy said:
I think you should probate the estates and get everything in your name. Shouldn't cost much if you have a good chain of title, wills or can show your heirship by law.
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It’s really not that complicated. I had to transfer stock as well as real property. To effect the transfer, I called the stock company’s Transfer Agent and requested that they send me a Transfer Form. I filled in the blanks and took the form to my bank and they, smoothly, expedited the rest for me … no charge. Good luck!

Brooksye S. Gertsch said:

Wow! That is very useful information. I have worked in law offices as a legal assistant for several years and have never heard of that procedure. I certainly hope it is available in Colorado. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your taking the time and effort to detail it. It sounds quite complicated but also like quite an efficient method of clearing things up. I know this will need to be done in order for me to lease or sell the mineral interest. Really, really appreciate your sharing the info.

Ms. Pat Malone said:

After realizing that probating my Father's Will was going to be a long, expensive, drawn out process, an attorney friend suggested that I probate through a Muniment of Title. Even though the estate had more than real estate, it still was simple to probate. I live in Texas. Good luck !!! I have copied and pasted an explanation ...

Muniment of Title

Historical Texas law created a unique concept known as the probate of a Will as a muniment of title. This concept is very unique to Texas, and it is generally not understood by attorneys in other states. This mechanism provides for a streamlined probate process, does not require the appointment of an administrator or executor, and it is the only mechanism by which you can probate a Will in more than 4 years. However, because this method is so unique to Texas, it can be difficult to use when having to deal with attorneys in other states, especially those that represent banks and other financial institutions.

The probate of a Will as a muniment of title is a mechanism where a Decedent’s Will is filed for probate, the Court recognizes the Will, but does not appoint an executor or administrator to administer the Estate. Rather, once the Court signs its Order establishing the Will as the Decedent’s true last Will, a certified copy of the Will and the Court’s Order can be used to transfer title in any property owned by the Decedent to those people listed in his Will. In essence, the Will and the Order serve as an equivalent to a new deed to any real estate.

The muniment of title method is most effectively used when the estate consists solely of real estate. If, however, the estate includes bank accounts or brokerage accounts, experience tells us that the attorneys representing those banks and financial institutions (who usually office in New York) do not understand this Texas concept. They will, many times, requires us to convert the administration to either a dependent or an independent administration. While the muniment of title can be less costly than the traditional methods of probate, it becomes much more costly if you are required to convert it because of issues with a bank or financial institution.

As noted elsewhere in this website, a Will must be filed for probate within 4 years of the Decedent’s date of death. However, the Probate Code creates a small exception for Wills filed as a muniment of title. If the person filing the Will is determined to have not been at fault in not bringing the Will for probate within the 4 years, then the Court can recognize the Will through a muniment of title only.

One final note about the muniment of title. Although it may seem somewhat elementary, the muniment of title only applies when you are filing a Will for probate. It has no application if the Decedent died without leaving a valid Will. Likewise, the muniment of title is not available if there are debts outstanding that are owed by the Decedent, unless those debts are secured by real property. In the case where someone died without a Will and you would prefer to avoid the formal probate of the estate, see the Alternatives to Probate detailed elsewhere in this site.

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You have inspired me. Many thanks for your kindness in providing the detailed descriptions. You are an extremely thorough and persevering lady.

Ms. Pat Malone said:

It's really not that complicated. I had to transfer stock as well as real property. To effect the transfer, I called the stock company's Transfer Agent and requested that they send me a Transfer Form. I filled in the blanks and took the form to my bank and they, smoothly, expedited the rest for me ... no charge. Good luck!

Brooksye S. Gertsch said:
Wow! That is very useful information. I have worked in law offices as a legal assistant for several years and have never heard of that procedure. I certainly hope it is available in Colorado. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your taking the time and effort to detail it. It sounds quite complicated but also like quite an efficient method of clearing things up. I know this will need to be done in order for me to lease or sell the mineral interest. Really, really appreciate your sharing the info.

Ms. Pat Malone said:

After realizing that probating my Father's Will was going to be a long, expensive, drawn out process, an attorney friend suggested that I probate through a Muniment of Title. Even though the estate had more than real estate, it still was simple to probate. I live in Texas. Good luck !!! I have copied and pasted an explanation ...

Muniment of Title

Historical Texas law created a unique concept known as the probate of a Will as a muniment of title. This concept is very unique to Texas, and it is generally not understood by attorneys in other states. This mechanism provides for a streamlined probate process, does not require the appointment of an administrator or executor, and it is the only mechanism by which you can probate a Will in more than 4 years. However, because this method is so unique to Texas, it can be difficult to use when having to deal with attorneys in other states, especially those that represent banks and other financial institutions.

The probate of a Will as a muniment of title is a mechanism where a Decedent’s Will is filed for probate, the Court recognizes the Will, but does not appoint an executor or administrator to administer the Estate. Rather, once the Court signs its Order establishing the Will as the Decedent’s true last Will, a certified copy of the Will and the Court’s Order can be used to transfer title in any property owned by the Decedent to those people listed in his Will. In essence, the Will and the Order serve as an equivalent to a new deed to any real estate.

The muniment of title method is most effectively used when the estate consists solely of real estate. If, however, the estate includes bank accounts or brokerage accounts, experience tells us that the attorneys representing those banks and financial institutions (who usually office in New York) do not understand this Texas concept. They will, many times, requires us to convert the administration to either a dependent or an independent administration. While the muniment of title can be less costly than the traditional methods of probate, it becomes much more costly if you are required to convert it because of issues with a bank or financial institution.

As noted elsewhere in this website, a Will must be filed for probate within 4 years of the Decedent’s date of death. However, the Probate Code creates a small exception for Wills filed as a muniment of title. If the person filing the Will is determined to have not been at fault in not bringing the Will for probate within the 4 years, then the Court can recognize the Will through a muniment of title only.

One final note about the muniment of title. Although it may seem somewhat elementary, the muniment of title only applies when you are filing a Will for probate. It has no application if the Decedent died without leaving a valid Will. Likewise, the muniment of title is not available if there are debts outstanding that are owed by the Decedent, unless those debts are secured by real property. In the case where someone died without a Will and you would prefer to avoid the formal probate of the estate, see the Alternatives to Probate detailed elsewhere in this site.

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My experience with probate has been quite good. (Divide Cnty ND). Getting land and mineral rights in the current owner's name is worth quite a bit. As things age they usually get more complicated.

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Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. I am hoping that the fact that no one outside our family has paid the property taxes in 70 years and no one has made a claim against the mineral rights might work in my favor.

L. Victoria Shupe said:

**Unfortunately there is not a simple form that you can complete to correct the situation. Opening an estate and conducting a probate may be one way to solve the problem, but as you mentioned some of the interest is still held in the name of your father's aunt and/or uncle. This potentially complicates and requires reopening of estates. In addition to the title being in multiple names, the time passage may also require a different course of action, such as quieting title, through the court to correct the chain of title.

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