You ain’t seen nutn yet
Meaning they have diesel generators for the grids when wind can’t meet demand.
My understanding is the people you are bad-mouthing do not collect gas or oil well money and they have been to all the meetings. They are worried about the health effects since they will be bordered up to the data center. It is a valid concern since it will directly affect them. These people have had this land in their family for generations so unless your land is directly bordering the data center and you aren’t collecting gas well money like they aren’t, it would probably be best to keep your insults to yourself. Personally, I am on the fence about the issue and would like more information before I form an opinion but I can see their concern.
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Energy for Data center needs to be as close to constant and uninterruptible as possible. That’s either natural gas or nuclear, pick one.
If I understand this correctly the data centers are building two gas power plants. One for running all the computers and the other for running the cooling systems. So they are all complaining about the water usage don’t hold water at all. Then the tax abatement they are complaining about just shows their stupidity. The county is promised they will have someone from the county on the board of directors on how the data center is run and guaranteed so much money every year for taxes. Plus the power leftover on all this will feed back into the electric power grid.
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I don’t think anyone cares with either option. The concerns I have read from them on Facebook is the water table decreasing due to cooling water needed, light pollution, and maybe health effects living near data center based on other areas that have had data centers and the negative consequences they incurred. Personally I would prefer natural gas be used as that would benefit me vs nuclear.
Where do you think they will get the water to use? Either they will pull from Lake Limestone which is already low due to 2 power plants pulling on it. Sure they can pull from the lake water but that is going to upset a lot of people that live on the lake and won’t be able to access their boats or docks with low constant water level.
Option 2, they drill a water well and pull from the same water table the other people that have wells pull from. Eventually that water table will lower due to heavy consumption, at least that is the fear or concern I have read from them.
How much water will be lost every day due to evaporation and cooling the centers?
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Of those options I’d say an expanded cooling pond.
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If I understand it correctly they will be using AC systems to cool the computer systems; they won’t use any water. As for power plants, if they plan on using Lake Limestone it probably won’t be a lake for long. I always find it funny these lakes are built for flood control and power plants. Then developers develop the land around the lakes for recreation. Our infrastructure is more important.
Great point. It reminds me of the bullet train through Leon County. So many of the people that thought it was great were the people who weren’t going to have it come through or next to their land. I would fight like hell too….
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We don’t have much of a chance of stopping the data centers as people stopping intrastate 45 when it was built. Just look at the things today we have that come across our land. Huge power lines that put out enough energy you can light up fluorescent lights under it from the power. How about the pipeline underground people fight to stop but drive a fuel-based vehicles to get there to protest. I don’t like some of the things today either but it’s part of today’s world. You can either waste the rest of your life fighting against it or accept it as the world we have today. Just look at the things we have today that our ancestors fought against from coming across their land. How do you think they would feel you using it today? If you don’t like the world we have today, just throw your cellphone away, stop driving an automobile, and go back to living underground. Because everything we use involves technology that pretty much took our freedom. Like I said, I don’t like it either but I will take my hits and move on. I am not going to waste the rest of my life fighting.
I am on the fence one way or another on the data centers but your reasoning is weak. There is really no sense in further dialogue with you. There are other counties that have fought the data centers and are currently keeping them out. Look, businesses are like people and will choose to take the path of least resistance. It isn’t about defeating data centers but making it so difficult and costly that it is cheaper and easier for them to move to a more friendly area. That is all this fight will ever be. As a person that has been negatively affected by powerlines and gas lines, it sucks. As someone that would have been negatively affected by the high-speed rail, that sucks as well but sometimes, just sometimes you can put up enough fight and win.
People not wanting data centers are mainly concerned for their health and existing water table. No one wants Lake Limestone to go down anymore than it has been lately. It is hard enough to keep a good level in the lake. That is a lot of tax money and jobs created from people moving in the area. That is a bigger draw than data centers will ever be.
Second, they drill a well into aquifer, how long until the aquifer goes down and people that have water wells at 500 ft lose water because now the table has shrunk and water is 600 or 700 ft down?
Do y’all not understand that a lot of water consumption will go on, despite a closed loop cooling system? It evaporates and has to be filled pretty often from a post I saw from a county that defeated data centers from coming in. Our water is already an issue as is with all the people moving into the state with increased consumption.
If there are no negative health effects and water use will not negatively impact people, then it sounds like a great deal, but if that is all true, why are they targeting rural areas? Why not closer to cities or suburbs versus out in small populated counties?
Country people are frankly tired of being shit on by politicians and “city” people to get their needs met with no benefit to them generally. There will be no jobs created. Money for schools? Tax will never be taken away from people having to pay and due to Robin Hood Act any increase in money to a school district will just go to some inner city school district that is poor because the ones around here are “too rich” so that doesn’t benefit us either.
County roads is about the only selling point I have heard and how long will they stay in great condition with all the oil field traffic and big trucks anticipated in area over next 10 to 20 years? The oil field companies will just pay to have those roads in good condition anyway so data center not helping that much. No jobs created with data center. What tangible thing will it really help with besides making a few county officials rich with “contacts” they make?
The data centers may be great, I am open to learning more but taking a position not to fight because it is useless to fight and to eat the shit sandwich because it is good and look at all the amenities we have etc is a weak take.
Those that choose to fight it do not take it as wasting their life but fighting for their life. If everyone just did what was easiest for themselves we would still be Brits. It is easier to not care when you are not directly involved, in this case you don’t appear to be a directly affected landowner. I am not even sure you live in Leon County but if you do, you definitely do not live next to the Kahla project. You don’t have anything to lose in this particular fight but for those that do, I don’t blame them for wanting answers. It’s not like they can sell their land for a great profit now that this has come to light and next to them. Only out for them is either the project moves on to another county or the data center wants to buy their land for double market value and they can move on.
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I understand about the health issues. Water I am on the fence about it. Everyone is worried about water when cities like Bryan/College Station use more water than a data center. One thing about water it doesn’t stop underground at the County line. The Wilcox aquifer covers a large area and is one of the most used aquifers in eastern Texas.
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All these projects both private, State and Federal do not ever need to be given a tax abatement! They will claim it will bring JOBS but it will from out of the County particularly after construction is completed! Land values will go down around them and the land will be harder to sell. This happens all the time!
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Now a refinery has broke down right on time