Hello,
In my pursuit of collecting, documenting, and trying to locate where my grandfather purchased mineral interests in the state of Texas, I have had the hardest time taking property information from a deed and translating it into a mapped out location within a County.
I was recently recommended that I check the Appraisal District Records... since if a property has been declared for ownership, then there will be taxes paid on the property, with interest and survey information included.
Now, I've located two seemingly viable resources for looking this information up. The County Appraisal District website, and Blackbeard Data. However when searching for the Tax information claimed by one of the Trusts for whom a decent size of interests we own are portions of SouthCentral Texas, I'm not coming up with anything.
Any tips or pointers that may be of assistance with running a tax search for a property rights owning Trust, or Leasing agency online would be of great appreciate by me, as I am a bit stumped (which isn't to say I won't figure it out ;)).
The company I am looking for the Taxroll of Properties is Red Crest Trust, and the County is Karnes... the County forum for which I have double posted this Entry...
I look forward to anyone's response, and as always can't express enough my appreciation for everyone's assistance.
Mathew Love
If the trust owns minerals only, it is not likely that they would show up on the tax rolls unless the minerals are in production. I have actually seen non-producing minerals on mineral tax rolls in Texas before, but that is by far the exception rather than the rule.
Buddy Cotten
Thank you Buddy,
The first part of what I am looking for are in fact the survey and interest information for the properties the trust does have in production; to identify overlap with property descriptions overlapping on deeds which we do or do not have recorded in the county, but are not being paid on. While at the same time using that information to be able to put a pin to a map and say "This is where the property conveyed in this deed is located; done!" (respectively speaking ;)
To this effect I think I just found out how to pull up this production information using CourthouseDirect and Blackbeard Data (and wonder if the one doesn't tap into the databases of the other as the search interface looks different but works identical to the other... hmmm)
However, I was thinking of your response to my earlier question concerning locating receiverships, and you mentioning that is might be easier to search through on online county record Application like TexasFile, etc. etc...
This got me to thinking that I should go into TexasFile, CountyRecords, and TylerTechnologies and do a search for Red Crest Trust as Grantor/Lessor; as there may be interest and property descriptions in the documentation for the leasing agreement... Does that sound legitimate?
I'm going to give it a try.
Mathew
Dear Matthew,
That would be one move -- to run Red Crest Trust. You can also run their predecessors in title (if you know some or all) as well and see what pops up.
Buddy
Mathew, I noticed that you spell your name a little differently. I think I saw a reference to Red Crest Trust a few days ago. I will try to read it for you and let you know if there is anything that may be helpful to you.
I know the Appraisal Districts often contract with third party appraisal firms to handle their mineral rolls. My experience is that the operator sends division orders of an entire lease / well to the appraisal firm, and then valuations are calculated and working / royalty / overriding interests (reported by the operator) are then sent appraisal notices and finally tax bills. Changes to the records are made frequently. I have seen plenty of Division Orders with incorrect ownership. (This was not meant to discourage your search of appraisal records, but just to beware of the accuracy)
Normally, you should be able to find the taxable accounts at the Appraisal District, and then look at the lease number / name that the tax accounts correspond to. Check the lease number on the RRC GIS map http://wwwgisp.rrc.state.tx.us/GISViewer2/ , and then see if it encompasses one Survey, or more than one survey. Then you would want to run a title search (deeds, etc.) from the county clerk's office within that Abstract or Survey.
Here is an example of Tarrant County Texas Appraisal information for a mineral account through their public webpage. The lease name, well number, and RRC Number are more than sufficient to then use and find the Abstract name / survey on the RRC GIS map.
| Account Number: |
60364457 |
| Well Name: |
CROWLEY EAGLES # 1H |
| Property Location: |
|
| Interest: |
0.000056 RI INT |
| RRC Number: |
RRC # 250368 |
| Lease Number: |
0004599 |
| Tract Pct: |
0.459800 |
| Operator: |
CHESAPEAKE OPERATING |
| Owner Id: |
0026127 |
| Owner Information: |
NAME / MAILING ADDRESS
|
Mathew,
TGIF.
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I had to do some rat killing and put out a few fires.
I saw two Red Crest Trust oil & gas leases dated 2011 and 2012. They weren't receivership leases, but I will give you the style and address. It may be another avenue that you can follow for more information.
RED CREST TRUST, JPMORGAN CHASE BANK, N.A., Trustee
P.O. Box 2605, Fort Worth, TX 76113
Executed by: Jason R. Beck, Vice-President
Good luck.
Dave Quincy said:
Mathew, I noticed that you spell your name a little differently. I think I saw a reference to Red Crest Trust a few days ago. I will try to read it for you and let you know if there is anything that may be helpful to you.
Dave, sorry I hadn't responded sooner, I've been going through runsheets for mineral tax rolls all over the state and mapping them out, trying to backword track a description that I can match with descriptions in our deeds... On top of trying to put out a few fires of my own
I do in fact spell my name with one "t" as my mother was not a fan of shortened name monikers, but half my friends call me Matt anyway...
I'll try to find out if I can't get a phone number from the address you provided and maybe just give Red Crest Trust a call to see if they'll send me a list of title runsheets - or property tax runsheets - from their files. It would be cool if they would.
Kitchen thank you for the breakdown. It took a few hours but I finally figured out how to get copies of the mineral rolls without having to pay for them from third party companies... Your breakdown I essentially identical to the mineral rolls I've found.
-Mathew Love
Sounds like you are making progress. Good landmen notice the small detail.
Take care.
Mathew Brandon Love-Waraksa said:
Dave, sorry I hadn't responded sooner, I've been going through runsheets for mineral tax rolls all over the state and mapping them out, trying to backword track a description that I can match with descriptions in our deeds... On top of trying to put out a few fires of my own
I do in fact spell my name with one "t" as my mother was not a fan of shortened name monikers, but half my friends call me Matt anyway...
I'll try to find out if I can't get a phone number from the address you provided and maybe just give Red Crest Trust a call to see if they'll send me a list of title runsheets - or property tax runsheets - from their files. It would be cool if they would.
Kitchen thank you for the breakdown. It took a few hours but I finally figured out how to get copies of the mineral rolls without having to pay for them from third party companies... Your breakdown I essentially identical to the mineral rolls I've found.
-Mathew Love
jason.r.beck@jpmorgan.com
Thanks Pete, I’ll Jason an email & see if he can help me out…