# Logan County, OK - Oil & Gas Discussion archives
**URL:** https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427
**Category:** Logan County, OK
**Created:** [June 19, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427 "2011-06-19T03:10:40Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 168
### Author:  [@ronald\_von\_wilson](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/ronald_von_wilson)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 8:08am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5198 "2014-05-29T08:08:00Z")
Footnote, my twin boys and I were lunching at Fuddruckers when an earthquake hit. Also, we watched Shoney’s burn down during the hurricane.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 8:05am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5199 "2014-05-29T08:05:00Z")
Fuddruckers is headquartered in Houston and when the Saudi boys came here and ate at the one in The Woodlands, they loved the big wild game burgers, so Fuddruckers opened restaurants in Saudi Arabia. Oil money gets what oil money wants.
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### Author:  [@Tim\_West](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Tim_West)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 11:15am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5200 "2014-05-30T11:15:00Z")
Robert, what do you consider a proper rate for frac water sales in a drought? I’m being offered $0.25 a barrel by Newfield over in Kingfisher County in an area where water is extremely scarce. But, those are long wells that will use 300,000 barrels of water, which is $75,000 a frac job, so nothing to sneeze at.
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### Author:  [@Ron\_McKenzie](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Ron_McKenzie)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 7:00am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5201 "2014-05-30T07:00:00Z")
**Logan County:** Devon Energy Production Co. LP; Webb 29-18N-2W No. 1MH Well; SW1/4 NW1/4 NW1/4 NW1/4 (SL) of 29-18N-02W; 306 barrels oil per day, 539,000 cu-ft gas per day; TD 10,427 Well.
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### Author:  [@Liz](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Liz)
#### Post date: [May 29, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5202 "2014-05-29T18:43:00Z")
No, in fact there are many BBQs now. There is Buz and Neds, Mission BBQ, Famous Dave’s. Oh, Steak and Ale closed down too. Double BooHoo.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 1:05pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5203 "2014-05-30T13:05:00Z")
Robert, CO2 keeps EPA in business. Maybe natural gas will come to provide more than 80% of U.S. electricity generated as no new nuclear units are scheduled to be built and renewable sources like wind and solar only provide a very small percentage. Hydroelectric may still be best choice for states like CA and CO, but droughts could change that. I’ve read that U.S. manufacturing comeback will be heavily dependent on inexpensive natural gas. Guess the game plan is to export light crude and LNG, keep natural gas prices low, reduce coal and not do more nuclear.
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### Author:  [@Tim\_West](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Tim_West)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5204 "2014-05-30T15:07:00Z")
Before anybody jumps on the EPA bandwagon you best take a look at the EPA “redefinition” of the Waters of the United States.
[http://www.oklahomafarmreport.com/wire/news/2014/05/07054\_NCFCWatersProposalStudy052914\_120341.php](http://www.oklahomafarmreport.com/wire/news/2014/05/07054_NCFCWatersProposalStudy052914_120341.php)
The EPA now says that the US Supreme Court and Congress has asked it to rule over all waterways that lead into navigable rivers. Before, the EPA only ruled on rivers that were navigable, leaving States to deal with water issues within their borders. Not now. If the proposed redefinition passes (which it will), then the EPA will permit any and all water that flows into a river, which could be your pond, ditch or, as Frank Lucas put it, off the brim of your hat. The Enemy of Agriculture, and eventually oil and gas, is the EPA. Off my soap box. Thanks for the info on water, Robert. My pond is nothing but a red mud hole that holds a lot of water. I don’t have cattle or I would be reconsidering for sure.
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### Author:  [@Robert\_Brian](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Robert_Brian)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 12:17pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5205 "2014-05-30T12:17:00Z")
They wanted to use a really nice pond, spring fed, clear. They wanted to use all the water, then replace it with water from Skeleton Creek and pay me a one-time fee of $2,000 to keep using it. It would have been about $50K for me, but to ruin a great pond? Couldn’t do it. My ponds are my greatest commodity out here on the farm. That and the quiet. The quiet is gone now for a while until they quit running their compressor station 2 miles away. But when you do business with the devil… you end up paying the price. In hindsight, it was a good decision, as my ponds are all about 8 ft low now, and if the drought gets any worse the big ones will be eating the big ones… If it was a muddy pond, and I didn’t really care, and I needed the money, and I didn’t have cattle it would be a different story…
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5206 "2014-05-30T12:25:00Z")
Water is getting scarce in parts of Texas and rates have gone up to $0.60 or more per barrel. I still can’t believe we pay $2.00 for a bottle of water, so don’t take less than it’s worth.
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### Author:  [@Robert\_Brian](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Robert_Brian)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5207 "2014-05-30T12:30:00Z")
Another issue coming up in 2014. While most Republicans think the EPA is the enemy, know this. During the Bush administration the current EPA regulations governing methane emissions were held in abeyance. After 2008 election the current rules took effect in 2009. While the price of gas is still cheap, condensate is not. Before 2009, most oil and gas producers vented their gas off the top of their oil tanks. Putting in sales lines was too expensive. Now they are forced to sell the gas, putting money in the pockets of mineral owners. Not to mention the condensate produced. I fear if the Senate falls to the Republicans, they will roll back the current EPA regulations, and ol farmer brown downwind of the tank batteries will be breathing methane again. We mineral owners will be out our gas checks. The other thing that will happen is that the thousands of jobs created by companies such as the one I work for will close down, no longer making Propane from the gas from Mississippi and Woodford wells. The EPA regulations are a good thing all the way around in my opinion.
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### Author:  [@ronald\_von\_wilson](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/ronald_von_wilson)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5208 "2014-05-30T17:26:00Z")
This discussion forum has suddenly become very informative and responsible. I have always insisted, and still insist, that our biggest problem is currently refusing to admit to the problems we do have. Only then will we be able to confront and solve them in any way whatsoever. Congratulations to Robert, Tim, Marsha, and others for giving us this vital information.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5209 "2014-05-30T15:40:00Z")
Tim, unfortunately, we are still suffering from a time when oil and gas companies destroyed too many waterways, ponds, fields, etc. Whole city blocks were leveled, crop fields were bare salt water spills, dead fish decayed along the creek banks, and ‘Super Site’ became a household term. It’s not fair, but it’s a fact.
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### Author:  [@Robert\_Brian](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Robert_Brian)
#### Post date: [May 30, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5210 "2014-05-30T21:11:00Z")
As far as navigable waters, the EPA has been ruling that if you spill oil into a creek that leads to a river you have violated the Clean Water Act, and are going to get fined. Right now, the oil companies are exempt from the Clean Water Act when it comes to polluting the aquifers, or ground water, thanks to Dick Cheney. This needs to be changed. They are also exempt for onshore oil production facilities from the Clean Water Act in regards to 40CFR112. Nowhere else could you pile up dirt walls around an oil tank and call that an impermeable barrier. Devon is wise to use lined tank batteries in their operations. Of course the oil companies want not to be criminally liable if they have a spill into your creek or pond. The bottom line is that state regulatory agencies can be controlled, such as the Corporation Commission, and state DEQ. Just look at the North Carolina spills lately and the way the state stepped in to subvert liability for the large spills there. The federal government is harder to control, defund and scare. I am not afraid of the EPA. I am afraid of the power of the corporate state. Welcome to Kochlahoma. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2014, 9:30am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5211 "2014-05-31T09:30:00Z")
Sir Ron Von, “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin
Thank you all.
Martha Mc
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### Author:  [@ronald\_von\_wilson](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/ronald_von_wilson)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2014, 3:09pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5212 "2014-06-01T15:09:00Z")
I be goin out to Ruffed Grouse and shovelin some navy beans down that hole.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5213 "2014-06-01T14:53:00Z")
Here we go, bring on the natural gas! - EPA Power Plant Proposal Will Seek 30% Carbon Dioxide Emissions Cut by 2030. [http://online.wsj.com/articles/epa-power-plant-proposal-will-seek-30-carbon-dioxide-emissions-cut-by-2030-sources-1401650325](http://online.wsj.com/articles/epa-power-plant-proposal-will-seek-30-carbon-dioxide-emissions-cut-by-2030-sources-1401650325)
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### Author:  [@Robert\_Brian](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Robert_Brian)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2014, 8:32am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5214 "2014-06-02T08:32:00Z")
Looking for a good landman in Guthrie for some research. Anyone recommending?
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### Author:  [@Harley\_Baade](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Harley_Baade)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2014, 8:41am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5215 "2014-06-02T08:41:00Z")
If there are some beans left over, head on up to Section 9.
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### Author:  [@Myranda\_Shugart](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Myranda_Shugart)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5216 "2014-06-02T11:24:00Z")
Tim, I’m not a fan of the EPA, but we need to find different answers to fracing than fresh water.
[http://www.gasfrac.com/](http://www.gasfrac.com/)
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/logan-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1427/5217 "2014-06-02T14:38:00Z")
Robert, If you ever need here’s US Title 18: Conservation of Power and Water Resources - PART 356—PRESERVATION OF RECORDS FOR OIL PIPELINE COMPANIES [http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=18:1.0.1.16.73&idno=18](http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=18:1.0.1.16.73&idno=18)
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