# Garfield County, OK - Oil & Gas Discussion archives
**URL:** https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330
**Category:** Garfield County, OK
**Created:** [August 31, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330 "2011-08-31T03:01:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 34
### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1089 "2014-09-20T12:25:00Z")
Virginia, Chesapeake has been stealing mineral owner’s production since the company started. My first clear title non-payment issue with them was back in the early 90’s. This accounting practice earns them millions, so they will continue as long as mineral owners let them. Thanks for getting the word out!
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### Author:  [@Virginia\_Pflum](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Virginia_Pflum)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 10:25am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1090 "2014-09-20T10:25:00Z")
Deborah,
Looks like they are about the same as most wells in this area. I would guess that we will never see the test %, probably be less. Guess you will have to wait for your next well for the designer dress. As my husband says, these little checks do add up, it just takes a lot of wells. Good luck as I don’t think we will see the checks till Dec or about then.
They are still drilling in this area, so they must feel they will be long lasting wells or they won’t pay for themselves.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 11:27am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1091 "2014-09-20T11:27:00Z")
Virginia and Deborah, Have faith. The uplift and inversions of the rift that formed the Nemaha Ridge, which runs east of Garfield County, can cause remigration and redistribution of oil and gas into preexisting faults formed during rifting. They are drilling these faulted areas (aka sweet spots) first and USGS timeline charts show that we may have to wait a few years before they start full out production of these first wells.
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### Author:  [@Virginia\_Pflum](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Virginia_Pflum)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 11:41am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1092 "2014-09-20T11:41:00Z")
Thank you Martha,
I never even gave that a thought. I must be getting old. That would explain why investors are still drilling.
I’m so upset with the rip off of Chesapeake I can’t even think clear.
I knew I was getting ripped off on my decimal point, but just found out Wed. night at a meeting we aren’t even getting priced the right price. They are paying about 1/3 the price for gas that I am getting on other wells. So, if anyone has Chesapeake, look at your check stubs and compare the price you are getting.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1093 "2014-09-20T14:03:00Z")
Virginia, The thinking part is getting harder for me and so is all the reading it takes to stay apprised of the situations. Right now, I’m working on how O/G companies are going to claim the platinum gold atoms attached to the iron ore found in the black shales of Oklahoma. I can’t even account for all the oil and gas produced by our wells, so heaven knows how I’m going to keep up with the gold.
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### Author:  [@Deborah\_Lynne\_Gerst](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Deborah_Lynne_Gerst)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1094 "2014-09-20T20:17:00Z")
Virginia, guess I will have to go to the Goodwill for that designer dress this time! If I am disappointed I can only imagine what Devon might be. ha
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### Author:  [@Virginia\_Pflum](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Virginia_Pflum)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2014, 12:39pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1095 "2014-09-20T12:39:00Z")
Martha,
I knew they were stealing on decimal point, but I didn’t realize it was price also. This has been going on for years and I even look at the price, What a dummy I have become. It doesn’t take very long to add up to thousands that they have stolen. If I wouldn’t have went to an attorney meeting, I wouldn’t have even looked at the price. I need to get out of PT and get back to thinking.
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### Author:  [@Rob\_Miller](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Rob_Miller)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1096 "2014-09-21T17:28:00Z")
Martha, can you elaborate more on platinum gold atoms?
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2014, 9:41pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1097 "2014-09-21T21:41:00Z")
Rob, I’ll try, so here goes - See the map in the link where the Nemaha fault zone tectonic plate movement is (divergent) pulling apart instead of convergent (pushing together) causing a “pull-apart graben” where hot molten magma traveled upwards toward the surface of the earth in a process geologically referred to as “large crustal-scale alteration events driven by intrusive activity”. Once earth was much hotter than it is now and “Komatiite” is a type of ‘ultramafic’ (ultra hot) mantle derived rock that can form from divergent or convergent tectonic processes by super heated activity called “magma intrusions”. “Komatiites” are associated with gold nickel and iron ore deposits and black shales (like Woodford Shale) contain iron ore. Iron oxide copper gold (IOCG) deposits are considered to be [metasomatic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasomatism) expressions of “large crustal-scale alteration events driven by intrusive activity”. Metasomatism is the chemical alteration of a [rock](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_(geology)) by [hydrothermal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal) and other fluids. Metasomatism is a mass transfer process best illustrated by [gold ore deposits.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ore_genesis) Basically, gold platinum atoms are attached to the iron ore in black shales.
> **[Figure 5](https://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/2003/mcbee/images/05.htm)**
> **[Bortnikovite, Pd4Cu3Zn, a new mineral species from the unique Konder placer...](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S107570150704006X)**
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> Bortnikovite, a new mineral species that is an intermetallic compound of Pd, Cu, and Zn with the simplified formula Pd4Cu3Zn has been detected at the unique Konder placer deposit in the Ayan-Maya district, Khabarovsk krai. The primary source of this...
> **[Metasomatism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasomatism)**
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> Metasomatism (from the Greek μετά metá "change" and σῶμα sôma "body") is the chemical alteration of a rock by hydrothermal and other fluids. It is traditionally defined as metamorphism which involves a change in the chemical composition, excluding volatile components. It is the replacement of one rock by another of different mineralogical and chemical composition. The minerals which compose the rocks are dissolved and new mineral formations are deposited in their place. Dissolution and depo Synon...
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### Author:  [@Rob\_Miller](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Rob_Miller)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 5:23am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1098 "2014-09-22T05:23:00Z")
Lots of information, thank you
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### Author:  [@Virginia\_Pflum](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Virginia_Pflum)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 8:41am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1099 "2014-09-22T08:41:00Z")
Martha,
Thank you for all the wonderful information. Does this mean that we need to put something else in our exhibit? I am already up to 5 pages on my addendum plus a 2 page lease. May just write a book on what can and can’t be done as each company has a different way of looking at things they need.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 9:50am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1100 "2014-09-22T09:50:00Z")
Virginia, Not only exhibits, but leases need to be rewritten as well. I’m working on it, but need a chemist and a lab to help me prove the fluid and core samples, because the Platinum is a rare earth element known as a “high-field-strength element which is an element of high [valency](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-valency.html) (greater than 2), e.g. Sn, W, and U. These high valency elements are not readily incorporated into the [lattices](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-lattice.html) of common rock-forming [silicate](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-silicates.html) minerals. During crystallization of [igneous](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-igneous.html) rocks the platinum is continually concentrated into residual [pegmatitic](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-pegmatite.html) or [hydrothermal](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-hydrothermalactivity.html) fluids, from which it may be precipitated in economic concentrations.” The igneous rock has been transformed by Metasomatism which is the chemical alteration of a [rock](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_(geology)) by [hydrothermal](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal) and other fluids. Basically, the Platinum atoms are loosely attached to the iron ore in the shale which is surrounded by formation water, so the Platinum is being recovered from the waste water before disposal.
[http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-highfieldstrengthelements.html](http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-highfieldstrengthelements.html)
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### Author:  [@Rob\_Miller](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Rob_Miller)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 9:59am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1101 "2014-09-22T09:59:00Z")
Does this occur in just that small area of Garfield County?
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 11:42am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1102 "2014-09-22T11:42:00Z")
Rob, The Black shale is everywhere all across OK, but it may be up to us mineral owners to determine the elemental and chemical properties of the shale and formation water of our minerals. Some areas in OK will be more prone than others as the rock cycle for shale allows the fine shale particles to remain suspended in a ‘Brine’ fluid (saltwater) which is deposited in ancient lagoons, river deltas, and on basin shelves. But salt water ‘Brine’ is produced by hundreds of OK wells and “about 95% of the dissolved mater in most OK brines is magnesium chloride.” “A process for the extraction of rare earth elements like Platinum and Yttrium, from a rare earth element-bearing ore or concentrate, comprises the steps of leaching the rare earth element-bearing ore (iron ore) or concentrate with a lixiviant of hydrochloric acid and magnesium chloride at atmospheric pressure at a temperature of from 90° C. to the boiling point of the solution and at an Eh of at least 200 mV. After a liquid/solids separation step, the solution obtained is subjected to steps for removal of iron and for recovery of rare earth elements.”
Read about OK magnesium chloride in the first 2 paragraphs in this link - [http://www.ogs.ou.edu/pubsscanned/minreports/mr14.pdf](http://www.ogs.ou.edu/pubsscanned/minreports/mr14.pdf)
Read about Shale formation - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale)
Read about Platinum and Yttrium Fuel cells - [http://www.azonano.com/news.aspx?newsID=30672](http://www.azonano.com/news.aspx?newsID=30672)
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### Author:  [@Mineral\_Steve](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Mineral_Steve)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1103 "2014-09-22T13:10:00Z")
Completion Filed: 09/22/2014 Completed: 08/01/2014 View PDF Applicant: Devon Energy Production Co., LP Notes: API No. 04724783; Eason 27\_22-21N-3W No. 1WHX Well; TD 14,358’; Oil; Woodford; 41 BOPD, 51 MCFPD; Horizontal Hole; Lands Covered: SW/4 NE/4 SE/4 NE/4 (BHL) 22-21N-3W-IM Garfield
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 8:27am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1104 "2014-09-22T08:27:00Z")
Rob, Yes, the platinum recovery is the result of huge amounts of information resulting from hundreds of scientific studies. We will ever see the days of pick axes, and pans again, but mineral owners will still have to prove it’s our gold.
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### Author:  [@Martha\_McMorries](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Martha_McMorries)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1105 "2014-09-22T12:20:00Z")
Rob, Yes, there are many ways but I’d guess they would use the least expensive. “Undoubtedly, aqua regia method is an easy gold recovery process. To prepare aqua regia we need to mix one part of nitric acid and three parts of hydrochloric acid.” [http://recovercomputergold.com/how-to-recover-gold-from-aqua-regia.html](http://recovercomputergold.com/how-to-recover-gold-from-aqua-regia.html)
NOTE: Drilling completion mud contains hydrochloric acid. Mud acid is also called [hydrofluoric-hydrochloric acid](http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/en/Terms/h/hydrofluoric-hydrochloric_acid.aspx).
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### Author:  [@Rob\_Miller](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Rob_Miller)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 12:24pm UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1106 "2014-09-22T12:24:00Z")
Thanks for the replies.
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### Author:  [@Rob\_Miller](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Rob_Miller)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2014, 11:54am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1107 "2014-09-22T11:54:00Z")
Are oil companies trying to find ways to capture these elements?
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### Author:  [@Deborah\_Lynne\_Gerst](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/u/Deborah_Lynne_Gerst)
#### Post date: [September 27, 2014, 7:56am UTC](https://www.mineralrightsforum.com/t/garfield-county-ok-oil-gas-discussion-archives/1330/1108 "2014-09-27T07:56:00Z")
Now to see what the split was on the multi section.
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