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Ward County, TX - Oil & Gas Discussion


Ward County, TX - Oil & Gas Discussion

Oil & gas discussion group for those interested in Ward County, TX. Share your experience regarding lease bonus, royalty rates, drilling activity, and oil & gas news.

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Started by Linton Tomlin. Last reply by Linton Tomlin 5 hours ago. 29 Replies

I have a Ward County, Texas map on my wall, if you send me your block/section/survey, I'll take a picture and upload it here or send it to you at an e-mail address if you prefer.

Extension of lease offer

Started by Cathy Cinotto. Last reply by Cathy Cinotto Jul 20. 2 Replies

Shell is inquiring about an extension on a lease we signed in 2011 with Anadarko in Section 184, Block 34, H & TC RR Co. Shell is offering $2000/acre for 3 years. Current lease doesn't expire…Continue

Ward County TX Oil & Gas Permits

Started by Dave Thompson. Last reply by Clint Liles Jun 29. 312 Replies

Post, discuss and share information related to Ward County Oil & Gas permits in the replies below.Thank you to Clint Liles for championing the effort to keep us all up to date.Continue

Saltwater Disposal Well Permit on My Land Without My Knowledge

Started by Anne Marie Greene Whatley. Last reply by John Armstrong Nov 8, 2014. 1 Reply

I have never seen this issue in the Discussion Subjects and value the opinions so generously shared here by Ward Co. Mineral Rights Group Members. I found out, quite by accident , that a Permit for a…Continue

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Comment by Cathy Cinotto on July 17, 2015 at 5:44pm

Shell is inquiring about an extension on a lease we signed in 2011 with Anadarko in Section 184, Block 34, H & TC RR Co. Shell is offering $2000/acre for 3 years. Current lease doesn't expire until 6/2016. Can anyone provide advice if this is a fair offer and if we should accept an extension this early?

Comment by mchammons on July 13, 2015 at 2:39pm

We are getting contradictory information as to the location of our mineral rights in Ward County.  Does anyone know of a landman that goes to Ward County court house so that we can get verification of the location of our rights?  We have been told it is NW/4 of Sec. 35, Bk 4, H &TC Co., between sec. 35 and sec. 34, bk 4 is the north line of section 35, also known as water tracks no. 3, 4, 5 and 6 as shown in certain plat dated 4/2/1901, vol.3, pg.1, containing 160 acres more or less.

One person has said it is abstract 162, another in 303...we just need to find a way to pin point exactly where it is.  Any leads appreciated.

Comment by CB Wilson on April 7, 2015 at 7:29pm
I know a little about section 144 block 34 H&TC as it lies in our ranch (Cross V Ranch LP, over 100 years old). This does not mean Cross V owns that section, just that it is open range land in our fence. Cross V does own a small undivided interest in the section as do a significant number of others. The section is probably a bit messy with regard to ownership because I know that Cimarex was asking about the whereabouts of about 15 potential mineral interest owners at the time division orders were processed for the 4 horizontal wells in that lease. I do know the county tax records for surface ownership are a bit messed up in this section - showing 22 owners with a total of over 650 acres when the state has about 13 acres that were taken for Highway 80 and Interstate 20. I also bought a small surface interest with a clear chain of title that is not on the tax roll and it is not easy to even get it on the tax roll in that situation, because the appraisal district does not consider themselves as one to resolve those questions - they just substitute one owner for another if they get a deed from an owner on record to a new owner.

The issue in your case should be what deed gives your family the mineral rights? By saying you get a tax bill, I would assume you think you own surface with the minerals? If you have an attorney, I doubt I could help you further, but you are welcome to send me a message through the forum with more information or questions.
CB Wilson
Comment by Steve Hinman on April 7, 2015 at 5:05pm
My wife's family has a number of mineral rights properties in Ward County. These have been in the family for some time. Recently, my brother-in-law received a letter from Cimarex regarding a property, Flintlock 34-144 in Ward County. The county has the family on record as the owners, but Cimarex is contesting. The family had to hire legal help. The attorney they hired is, Zollie Steakley, Sweetwater, TX. We received a tax bill last year, even though we have received no royalties on this particular property.

Can anyone help us understand what is going on? Why is the county record not sufficient? What is Cimrex up to? We have already incurred about $15,000 in legal fees. Thank you!
Comment by Bret Hilby on February 25, 2015 at 9:33pm

What is the value of land without mineral rights?  Getting offers and they seem low... but, again, mineral rights not included.  Thanks.

Comment by Mike East on January 8, 2015 at 1:56pm

Attorney suggestion:

Thomas J. Howell of counsel

Key Harrington Barnes P.C.

3710 Rawlins Street, Suite 950

Dallas, TX 75219  4237

Direct Dial:  214 884 4811

fax: 214 615 7926

Email: thowell@keyharrington.com

I have use Mr. Howell on Oil and gas leases in addition to Right Of Way (ROW) Leases.  He is a mineral owner in Texas.  He is very good and I would recommend him.  There are however many other attorney's  for your selection in the mineral rights forum, yellow pages but word of mouth recommendations are the best. 

Mike East

Comment by Shawni on January 8, 2015 at 8:27am

Rock man,

Your advice reiterates what we have been told from the start: stay as a group and consult an attorney. So right now that is the goal. We are mainly in the Austin/Corpus Christi area so if there is a recommend for an attorney in this area feel free to reach out.  

Comment by Shawni on January 8, 2015 at 8:18am

So what I am gathering from comments below is I will either be paying the bank or a mineral manager to run the show if management by the group of beneficiaries is out of the question (which it is). It sounds like a  mineral manager should have more knowledge on the subject and could potentially help us maximize our profits. Where as the bank may or may not. Either way, I will definitely look into the TCU class. That sounds like something very important that I will also recommend to the other beneficiaries. Thanks for the info. It has been very helpful!! And if there are any mineral managers on this site feel free to reach out to me.  

Comment by Wade Caldwell on January 8, 2015 at 7:18am
Really good comments from TennisDaze.
My experience has been that bank trust departments are, in general, not very good or aggresive mineral managers, and their fees are high. I am sure there are some exceptions. Also, I suggest the 13 of you hang together for management and lease negotiation purposes. You have much more leverage as a group.
One alternative is to form a partnership or LLC and get professional help from an attorney or mineral manager. The hard part is deciding who among the owners will be the manager, what kind of authority they will have, and whether they get compensated for their time.
Comment by TennisDaze on January 4, 2015 at 11:27pm


     First, it is not generally a logistical problem to file deeds dividing the mineral and surface rights among a specified group of beneficiaries as they usually will receive the interests in uniform, although not necessarily identical, percentages.  Second, the bank is collecting fees and likely wants to preserve this arrangement.   If the trust owns significant property, it will pay to negotiate any management fee if you elect to continue under the trust.

      You need to ask the bank for a written list of all of the wells and properties, both surface and minerals, owned by the trust.  The minerals will be in gross acres (eg 640 acres in section) and in net mineral acres (1/8 minerals = 80 NMA), for each section.   You should ask for copies of all of the documents related to the trust properties – deeds, leases, trust legal document, checks to see the payors and royalty decimals for the various wells, last 5 years of trust tax returns with all related detail (not just your K-1 form), etc. 

     You need to determine what the bank is doing and what it is charging for this work.   How is the bank actively managing your properties?  Is there continuous and active leasing or are these old leases?  Is the bank only collecting royalties and disbursing the funds among the beneficiaries, besides paying the property taxes.   My experience is that bank trust departments generally collect revenues, but do not actively audit the checks to be sure that all royalties are paid accurately for each and every well.   Also, the bank may or may not negotiate better lease terms and you need to see if the bank is only signing the lease form presented by the oil company or it is using a protective and detailed lease form.   How much money has accumulated in the bank or are all the revenues being disbursed to the beneficiaries?

     I favor personal involvement in all property management decisions.  You can hire an attorney, accountant, etc to help, but you should be involved.   If you elect to treat this as simply “mailbox” money, then you will lose revenues.   There is definitely a benefit for the beneficiaries to work together as it is much easier to negotiate better lease terms and to manage properties.  If you are close, you may want to consider setting up a partnership.  I recommend that you all attend the Royalty Owner Programs at TCU Energy Institute for an intensive introduction to mineral management.   It can be a lot of work, but rewarding.  www.energyinstitute.tcu.edu/workshops


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